NY-23- voting machines impounded!

Remember where you heard it first: Contributed by The Bib

Fulton County machines break in NY-23 court order issued

While liberals have been seeing dancing in the streets at the thoughts of Owens beating Doug Hoffman tonight in a bit of a surprise, they may be a bit pre-mature. News Channel 9 WSYR-TV in Syracuse New York, they have learned voting machines in Fulton County, which is a part of the 23rd Congressional District, have been impounded, after the machines were not working property today, the Fulton County Board of Elections confirms.

They were not planning on counting any votes Tuesday night. We’re told by the Board of Elections, the paper ballots cannot be touched until the absentee ballots are opened a week from Tuesday. The county was forced to switch over to paper ballots. They were not planning on counting any votes Tuesday night. We’re told by the Board of Elections, the paper ballots cannot be touched until the absentee ballots are opened a week from Tuesday. The Board of Elections says they do not know how many people voted, but there are 22 districts in Fulton County.

 

 

 

 

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30 Responses

  1. The Hoffman results raised an eyebrow, he ws so far ahead and lost by so much. Said as much in my morning emails, that ACORN did its dirty work up there.

    And whallah! Voting machine irregularity.

    Not surprised that it happened, only that they bothered to look.

  2. God I hope this is scrutinized closely and reverses the results in favor of Hoffman, This I will truly pray for and would make me a believer that we are on a strong turning point

  3. I just e-mailed this to Lou Dobbs maybe he wiil bring it up.

  4. don’t know if you heard but last week, shots were fired in vicinity of dobb’s house, wife and himself, if i have the tory striaght.

    skuttlebutt is cnn is dogging and censuring him for his reporting of facts and numbers.

    also, heard beck is in hospital, too, but have not confirmed.

  5. Dobbs is also receiving threatening phone calls.

  6. Some things never change with the voter fraud. They can’t win an honest election!!!

  7. BTW, has anybody heard anything about Judge David Carter throwing out the California lawsuit questioning Obama;s eligibility to be POTUS?

    • After accepting and scheduling this case for early October calling it a “consitutional crisis,” retired Marine Judge Carter postponed the hearing til late Oct.

      In the interim, his new law clerk was installed into his office after which it appears, Carter changed his mind about the imortance of the case.

      Instead of hearing it, he tossed it calling it a nuisance suit and fining orly $20,000 for bringing it with admonishion to cease and desist.

      BTW, guess where the new law clerk came from?

      Obama’s law firm.

      • I heard that Obama’s justice department got to him. Why am I not surprised where the law clerk came from? Just more dirty politics from Obama and Company, only difference is, the home base is now Washington instead of Chicago. Will it ever end?

        • I wish I could believe it was dirty politics. I think it is much more insideously threatening than that.

          Back before Hillary was maneuvered out of the run and she was desperately looking for the smoking gun, it was Hillery supporters whoi outed the BC story in the first place.

          Now Hillery is not one to back down or go gracefully, nor is she one who shies away from dirty poilitics herself. Hense the floating of the bc issue, by supporters but could not be traced directly to her.

          …. and she not only backed down but despite the popular primary vote, witdrew.

          Hillery withdrawing HAS GOT to have some eyebrows raised.

          Niow comes Justice Scalia. The only SCJ who agreed to hear the case. Scheduled it. Was called into private meeting with Zero. After which he tossed the case.

          Carter is another, certainly not 3rd on this lost but one of the biggest.

          ONE MUST WONDER WHAT exactly these people, Hillery, Scalia, Carter et al have been threatened with.

          As for Carter, ret. Marine, I can only thnk his whole family was threatened to get him to back down.

          I do not see ANYTHING benign or casually connected in the chain of events.

          • If what you are saying is true, then this is far worse than I thought possible. What do they use to strong-arm people into backing down? These are well known people backing down, not somebody we have never heard of. This is getting pretty scary, if you ask me. God help us all!

  8. Good questions.

    I can only speculate the blackmail used. But one after another, the biggest dominos are falling, there is no doubt about that.

    And so, regardless of the form of blackmail, threats, etc., OUR focus should be on the fact that there is a power or consortium of powers who are able to get to ANYONE. ….. and are not hesitant at all to weild that power.

    Yes, please DO be scared. But not enough to back down. WTP MUST become a brick wall of resistence, shoulder to shoulder.

    And remember, the best defense is a good offense.

    I apoligize for repeating but I must emphasize that WTP HAVE the power we need to organize and in unity, uniformly assert it.

    THINK ABOUT IT …. instesad of the dozens of BC court cases, what if? …

    Each state’s State Board of Electors and their STATE Secretaries of State, ARE the ones IN THE STATE responsible for vetting candidates and letting them on the ballot.

    What IF we the citizens of EACH state, independantly yet collectively, DEMANDED the consitutionally authorized, obligated and responsible parties DO THEIR JOB AND VET THIS CANDIDATE, even now, after the fact under the PEOPLE IMPOSED PENALTY OF WITHHOLDING ALL taxes the state collects to turn over to the feds.

    IMO, we go about it all wrong, appealing to the “legal” powers and leaving to them the choice of turning us down. By now ALL must see these powers routinely turn us down and insodoing, are guilty of abuse of power, dereliction of duty, crimes against the constitution, defrauding their states’ citizen and conspiracy to commit said fraud.

    This leaves these people in politically appointed positions, the bureaucrats and judges open to impeachment AND PROSECUTION.

    We HAVE the power. We HAVE the tools. We HAVE the law.

    What are we waiting for?

  9. I will not back down. I want my country back, I don’t want it changed into something i will not recognize. You are so right, we the people have the power to change it, we need to get moving and do it. Thanks for you input and info.

  10. Curious, Sandy, what state are you in?

  11. Howdy, neighbor! :-))

    NJ here.

    I am working on getting the vrious NJ orgs. focused on moving on states’ rights. There are some groups already at it.

    Would advise you seek out and join up on that push in Pa.

    • I’m just a girl in the neighborhood. LOL I am signed up with groups from PA, although the past 3 weeks I have been pretty inactive due to family members illness’s.

      • We all do what we can, when we can; that is all that can be asked. Keep on, keepin’ on, “Let’s get ‘er done!” Larry the Cable Guy. 🙂

  12. Voting machine malfunction in NY 23rd update:
    http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/68997917.html

  13. Good catch, ms.

  14. Amazing how this story just disappeared. And the winner was in DC in time to cast a “yea” vote Saturday night.

  15. The good news is that the results were never certified by the board of elections.

    With a double digit lead, that race should never have been conceded in the first place.

    With Owens out and Hoffman in, the whole HC vote would be invalidated, and have to come to vote again.

    Was 220 -215. Goes to 218 to 217, if Cao is to be believed he would not have cast his “yea” vote had the dems not acheived the necessary 218.

    or, Owens -1, Cao -1 = -2 … from 220.

    Another vote might well not acheive the 218 from dem side as it can not have escaped the yea voting dems’ notice on the day after that the WTP immediately set their sites on the reps who voted “yea” as targets for removal come 2010.

    There may be hope. Just dn’t bet the store quite yet.

  16. From a contact via email, posted on one of her groups:

    Democrats Stole NY-23 – Owens Going Down as Absentee vote is Counted and Illegal Democrat Voter Fraud
    The pathetic irony in this story is that the racketeering party, the Democrats, claimed “victory” on election day despite the fact that they were routed nationwide. They hung their sad little lies on this tiny race. Hoffman never had a shot. He was a strange little conservative candidate but the RINO on the Republican ticket was so repulsive to those of us on the right, it split the Republican vote. So much so, the RINO Dede Scozzafava withdrew and threw her weight behind the ….Democrat!
    The Republican party has been hijacked and driven underground by the RINOs (Republican in name only) and/or DIABLOs (Democrats in all but label only). The right is revolting against the infiltration in our party.
    Democrat Owens allegedly eked out a victory and it became Obama and Pelosi’s rally cry, bwahahahahahaha…………but not so fast, criminals!
    Massive Election Fraud threw vote count against Hoffman
    November 12, 2009 by John Charlton

    WIDESPREAD FALSE REPORTS GIVEN TO PRESS, ALL TO DEFLATE HOFFMAN VOTE COUNT

    (Nov. 12, 2009) — It looks increasingly that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in her zeal to get the Health Care Federalization Bill passed, may have sworn in an unelected candidate for the NY-23 Congressional District, in violation of the U.S. Constitution and New York State laws.

    As a matter of fact, not only has the Secretary of State of New York not certified the election, in which Doug Hoffman and Bill Owens vied in a special election, nearly head to head — after Scozzafava retired in humiliation, having lost the support of conservatives in her district — but that vote count is in doubt this morning.

    The Post-Standard of Syracuse published this morning a detailed report which lists all the irregularities; errors of vote counting which were all against Doug Hoffman.
    Ryan said an important factor in the decision to concede was the unexpected — and erroneous — close vote in Oswego County, where polls had Hoffman with a double digit percentage point lead heading into Election Day.

    “That’s the thing that threw us off,” Ryan said.

    Oswego County elections officials blame the mistakes on “chaos” in their call-in center that included a phone system foul-up and inspectors who read numbers incorrectly when phoning in results. Of 245 races in the county — not including the congressional and court races — 84 had incorrect totals reported election night.
    In the congressional race, more votes were cast in Oswego County than any other in the 11-county district.

    The district’s second biggest voter turnout was in Jefferson County, where Hoffman also has benefited from a turnaround since election night, gaining about 700 votes. Owens led Hoffman by 300 votes on the final election night tally. But after recanvassing, Hoffman now leads by 424 votes, 10,884 to 10,460.

    Jerry Eaton, the Republican elections commissioner for Jefferson County, said inspectors found a problem in four districts where Hoffman’s vote total was mistakenly entered as zero.
    “Hoffman definitely gained votes where he didn’t have them,” Eaton said.
    Since 10,200 absentee ballots were distributed, and more than 1,300 returned from pro-military Jefferson Country alone have not even been counted (a more than 70% return rate on ballots distributed), there is a good chance that Dough Hoffman has won the election.

    The consistent errors in the election process against Hoffman’s vote count, can only indicate one thing: a conspiracy to commit election fraud on a massive scale.
    It turns out that Pelosi’s swearing-in of Owens had the political effect of garnering the addition Republican vote, of Cao, in the vote for the Health Care Bill, which passed narrowly, 220-215. The election fraud, in the NY-23 district, therefore, puts in doubt the legitimacy of that vote also.

    The question of the day, therefore, is: “Was this election fraud organized and directed from the White House, which had everything to gain or lose, based upon a favorable or unfavorable vote tally?”

    Posted by Pamela

    • I’m not at all surprised. This is what happened to Hillary in the Primaries and anyone who ever opposed Obama in Chicago.

  17. [CarlislePeaceCollege]

    FW: Impossible numbers certified in NY-23, phantom votersFriday, November 27, 2009 4:25 PM
    From:
    To:CarlislePeaceCollege@yahoogroups.com

    > Subject: Impossible numbers certified in NY-23, phantom voters
    >
    > A reminder: Black Box Voting got thumped by some of our members for calling attention to the anomalies in Maine, where the second-biggest
    election jurisdiction, Lewiston, had over 1,000 vote discrepancies in three races. We were admonished not to be for gay marriage.

    Here in the NY-23 race, because a Democrat won, we’ll probably be thumped again, this time
    claiming that exposing problems with the election show that we support the Conservative candidate.
    Black Box Voting is nonpartisan. We have no dog in these fights except public right to know and authenticate results. We shouldn’t have
    thousand-vote anomalies in Maine, with a secretary of state that won’t release the real results.

    We shouldn’t have negative votes and phantom
    voters in NY-23. But most of all, we shouldn’t allow systems that conceal essential parts of public elections from the public! And THAT is where we
    stand.
    >
    > TURKEY NUMBERS WITH STUFFING?
    >
    > For several days now, I have been in close communication with RichardHayes Phillips, author of WITNESS TO A CRIME, a book detailing his findings
    when conducting a ballot examination after the 2004 Ohio election. Phillips lives in New York 23, the site of one of the nation’s most controversial political races in 2009.
    >
    > Today, he wrote a disturbing article about the impossible numbers certified by election officials in the NY-23 race. I’ll reprint portions of
    that article below; first, let me share the comments of V. Kurt Bellman, former elections director for Berks County, Pennsylvania, concerning what
    an election official should do when asked to sign off on mathematically impossible numbers:
    >
    > “Not even ONE mathematically impossible number gets even one ‘cell’ on any document I would need to sign,” writes Bellman, “and anyone who might
    try to get me to sign it needs to be prepared to see the inside of another kind of ‘cell.”
    >
    > There is no doubt that New York election officials are under the gun, and NY-23 districts are no exception. New York locations are being pushed into
    abandoning their cost-effective and trusty old mechanical lever machines to implement new Sequoia/Dominion ImageCast optical scanners. This change was not embraced by many of the New York elections officials, who are now struggling to explain machine failures in many different counties, and in
    NY-23, officials were certainly under massive pressure to sign off on the numbers, and they probably never had never dealt with NEGATIVE numbersbefore.
    >
    > That said, the traditional method of tampering with a lever machine, is to “roll back the odometer” so that before the day starts, you have your guy at +25 and the other guy at -25, and at the end of the day after the
    votes all roll in, all the numbers match the number of votes cast. Unless, of course, the other guy only got 24 votes, in which case it all comes unraveled.
    >
    > It is exactly this “roll back the odometer” tactic that WE used when hacking the optical scan memory card, as seen in the film Hacking Democracy
    and in this short video (which also shows that — unlike the lever machines — the counter can read “zero” at the beginning of the day with software-driven systems, even when votes have been preloaded):

    > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiiaBqwqkXs
    >
    > Whew. Ready to read the whole article by Richard Hayes Phillips, detailing the anomalies in NY-23?
    >
    > YOU CAN READ THE WHOLE THING HERE:
    >
    http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=
    8425:impossible-numbers-certified-in-ny-23&catid=60:st-lawrence-news&Itemid=
    175
    >
    > Excerpts from the article, which appears in the Gouverneur Times:
    > * * * * * *
    > “The election results certified by the St. Lawrence County Board of
    Elections for New York’s 23rd Congressional District contain some numbers
    that are mathematically impossible. These numbers were requested in person
    and transmitted by e-mail just hours before certification on Tuesday,
    November 24th, 2009.
    >
    > For six election districts in St. Lawrence County (the 2nd, 4th, 6th, and
    7th districts in Canton, the 14th district in Massena, and the 2nd district
    in Oswegatchie) negative numbers appear in the column for ‘blank’ ballots,
    known in other states as ‘undervotes.’
    >
    > “Blank vote counts are ballots in which the voter did not choose any candidate in a given election and are determined by subtracting the total number of votes cast for the candidates from the number of voters who
    completed ballots. The remaining number would be those voters who didn’t cast a vote for that election.
    >
    > “In Canton’s 7th district, the certified results show a total of 148 ballots cast. The results of those votes were counted as 88 votes for Owens, 11 votes for Scozzafava, and 80 votes for Hoffman. The problem is
    that these numbers add up to 179 votes counted for the candidates, and there were only 148 ballots cast; St. Lawrence County certified these numbers to the state as accurate with the number of ‘blank’ ballots
    reported as minus 31.
    >
    > “The Board of Elections stated repeatedly that their numbers add up, and strictly speaking, they do. But negative numbers should not be required to
    make this happen.”
    >
    > * * * * *
    > Yep, I’d say the matching numbers are turkeys: “NEGATIVE NUMBERS SHOULD
    NOT BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.”
    >
    > Phillips goes on to write:
    > * * * * *
    > “Election analysts refer to this phenomenon as ‘phantom voters,’ because they are apparitions. They do not actually exist. There can never be more
    votes counted for any office than the number of actual voters who cast ballots. There could be one or two, if on occasion an actual voter forgot to sign the poll book, but never 31.
    >
    > “In addition to the 31 ‘phantom votes’ certified in Canton’s 7th district, there are 16 more in Canton’s 2nd district, two in Canton’s 4th district, 20 in the 7th, 22 in Massena 14th district, and 2 in Oswegatchie
    2nd district. ”
    >
    > * * * * *
    >
    > Unless we know for certain (and this doesn’t mean just hypothesizing) what caused the minus numbers, an error of, say, 31 doesn’t at all mean
    that the real error is 31. It might be 3100, or 8,573.
    >
    > Some election officials, followed dutifully by the media, may shrug off anomalies like minus 31 votes, saying “but it didn’t affect the result.”
    >
    > Now, if I get a bank statement and somehow the transaction total is $5.40 less than the transactions, I don’t shrug that off saying “but it didn’t bounce a check!” I have questions. What caused this? Aren’t computers supposed to be able to add and subtract? How many other customers have a total that is not correct? Who got the missing $5.40?
    >
    > Any accountant will tell you that one small anomaly can add up to a substantial embezzlement once you unravel the whole thing. In elections, when the books don’t balance it can be a Very Bad Thing.
    >
    > COULD SOMEONE HAVE EMBEZZLED AN ELECTION?
    >
    > In a way, it doesn’t matter — the new software driven systems conceal the counting of the vote from the public, transforming public elections into something that is no longer actually public. This is a violation of
    our inalienable, fundamental rights — public elections are what enable us to control the instruments of government that we have created; if we do not
    have truly public elections, in truth, we are not really a free people.

    With or without fraud, these software-driven voting machines have removed an essential component of liberty from the people of New York.
    >
    > In March 2009, the German high court ruled that election processes which conceal the counting process from the public are unconstitutional. Germany
    banned its software-driven system, because it violated the rights of the public by concealing essential processes in the election.
    >
    > The issues in New York go deeper than whether negative numbers mean fraud — they go to the heart of voting rights, and liberty itself. But could the echanics of fraud have produced negative numbers on some voting machine results tapes?
    >
    > Logic tells us that election tampering, if it occurs, is most likely to use tactics that have been local specialties for years. In Appalachia, you
    see vote-buying and absentee fraud. In lever locations like New York, if there was fraud, the old standby was the “roll back the odometer” trick. So one would expect that IF there was fraud in a New York election that had
    just converted to software-driven systems, the same tactic might be used with the software.
    >
    > That doesn’t mean there was fraud. But negative numbers do appear in the voting machine results tapes in some locations. IF there was a rollback of
    the odometer method employed, the negative numbers would only appear if an insufficient number of voting transactions take place to roll it up into
    the positive. And that would mean that the negative number locations would only be the tip of the iceberg, in terms of the scale of the problem. Most locations would roll up into positive numbers, erasing the telltale signs.
    >
    > We will certainly be told that there was no tampering. We’ll be given a reason for the anomaly, and told to trust whoever it is that told us that, who in turn must trust whoever it is that inserted whatever-it-is code into
    the machines to “fix” them before the election.
    >
    > But public elections cannot be based on “trust.”
    >
    > And with impossible numbers, NEGATIVE numbers appearing in some NY-23 locations, it raises questions about what precise code was on the machines and memory cards in all New York locations. Technicians were visiting some
    — but not all — machines to put in a fix, shortly before the election.

    They fixed something. But not always.
    >
    > We just don’t know what they fixed. And probably, we never will know. And this precisely the problem with concealed counting: We just handed ultimate
    control of our elections to some technician whose name we do not even know.
    >
    > * * * * *
    >
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