BRING IT ON BROTHER SEXIST/RACIST PIG

Cross Posted by BettyJean Kling From

Wimins Watch, Inc.
January 23, 2009 3:42
‘To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes. ‘
Bill # H.R.40
 Original Sponsor:
John Conyers (D-MI 14th)Cosponsor Total: 4
(last sponsor added 01/14/2009)
4 Democrats

 

 
About This Legislation: 
1/6/2009–Introduced.
Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans Act – Establishes the Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African Americans to examine slavery and discrimination in the colonies and the United States from 1619 to the present and recommend appropriate remedies.
 
Detailed, up-to-date bill status information on H.R.40.
THE ABOVE WAS FORWARDED BY A MEMBER IN DELAWARE. IT IS MY BELIEF THAT WE CAN USE HISTORY AS A GUIDE OR AS A PRISON.

IF WE ARE WISE AND USE HISTORY AS A GUIDE WE WILL LEARN AND GROW AS A SPECIES AS WELL AS INDIVIDUALS. WE WILL NOT SEEK VENGENCE FOR GRIEVANCES DONE TO ANCESTORS LONG PAST CARING, AND LONG PAST ANYONE’S POWER TO RECTIFY FOR THEM.

IF WE ARE PRISONERS TO HISTORY ESPECIALLY THAT OF A GROUP WITH WHICH WE IDENTIFY THEN WE WILL SPEND OUR LIVES LOOKING BACK AT THE SIN COMMITTED AGAINST “US”  INSTEAD OF FORWARD TO THE FUTURE WE CAN CREATE FOR OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN. WE CAN SPEND OUR TIME GETTING REVENGE AGAINST THE DESCENDANTS OF  TRIBAL ENEMIES.

IF LEGISLATION SUCH AS THAT PROPOSED ABOVE WERE EVER TO PASS i HAVE A FEW SUGGESTIONS.

#1. THE FIRST CHATTEL SLAVES BROUGHT TO THE NEW WORLD WERE NOT FROM AFRICA BUT WERE IRISH AND SCOTTISH. .. JUST SHY OF 200,000. SO THEY WOULD BE ENTITLED TO REPARATIONS AS WELL.

#2. ANYONE OF MIXED RACE I.E. AFRICAN AND EUROPEAN ANCESTRY WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED A PARTIAL REPARATION.

FINALLY, IF MEN OF ANY COLOR, RELIGION, OR ETHNIC GROUP EVER RECEIVE REPARATIONS FOR ANYTHING I SHALL DEMAND REPARATIONS FOR ALL WOMEN BECAUSE WOEMN ARE THE MOST ABUSED, OPPRESSED AND PERSECUTED GROUP IN ALL OF HISTORY AND IN EVERY CULTURE EVEN IN THE UNITED STATES.

MEN OF EVERY RACE WERE GIVEN THE VOTE SIXTY YEARS BEFORE ANY WOMAN.

OF THE THIRTY MILLION SLAVES ALIVE IN THE WORLD TODAY 85% ARE WOMEN.

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE FOR THESE LIVING WOMEN ?

IT DOES NOT EVEN APPROACH THAT  SHOWN TO DEAD ANCESTORS WHO COULD CARE LESS.

IT IS EASY TO NURSE A GRUDGE AND BLAME OUR OWN FAILURES AND HURTS ON BOOGEY MEN WHICH WE USE HISTORY TO CREATE.

EVERY GROUP HAS BEEN BOTH OPPRESSOR AND OPPRESSED SOME WHERE IN TIME. WE TAKE TURNS. WITH ONE EXCEPTION – WOMEN OF EVERY GROUP HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY PERSECUTED EVERY GENERATION SINCE EVE.

THERE IS IN FACT A GENOCIDE OF BABY GIRLS GOING ON NOW , TODAY ALL OVER THE WORLD THROUGH GENDER SELECTION ABORTION AND INFANTICIDE.

SO MR. CONYERS, MALE CHAUVINIST PIG, IF THAT’S THE WAY YOU WANT TO ROLL, BRING IT ON. MY SISTERS AND I ARE READY FOR YOU.

OR WE CAN LEARN FROM HISTORY AND TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY AND AN EYE TO THE FUTURE.

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16 Responses

  1. There ought to have been reparations after the Civil War, which could have gone along these lines…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule

    What happened was the opposite. The Ku Klux Klan and similar secret societies kept the South in racist/Democratic hands, and robbed freed blacks and Republicans of the vote. (Klansmen took a special oath to oppose the “radical” party, meaning the Republicans). The result was another hundred years of crimes against African Americans.

  2. sigh, another idiotic payoff idea, I am so sick of these.

    Half of the european whites who came to the US in the 1600’s and 1700’s came as indentured debtors, aka, WHITE SLAVES who could be legally hanged if they did not pay their debt off by working for a master. Those who owned papers on these WHITE European DEBTORS could find ways to elongate their debtors sentence above and beyond the initial imposed sentence.

    Many of these WHITE European debtor SLAVES DIED on the boat trip from Europe to North America because they were only given a two weeks ration of food and once it ran out, too bad.

    American Indians were also ravaged, as were African Americans. Yes, america was founded on a melting point of slavery. I also agree that the African Americans did have the worst of it because they did not get to become free after a certain amount of work was done.

    Anybody alive TODAY, WOULD NOT EXIST if slavery from the past had not existed. iI the past had gone differently, somebody else would exist, not you. We’d all be different people on the planet.

    The babies that pop out of mom’s womb are literally one a in million. It is a statistical miracle that you and I exist, and not someone else in our places. So people can whine about the past if they desire, but they are fools for not acknowledging that they themselves would not exist if the past had gone differently.

    So if one chooses to collect money for past generational treatments, please kindly make yourself disappear from the planet the moment before you receive your money since you would have never existed had slavery not existed.

    Or, one can show gratitude that as bad as the past was, the only reason you or I exist today is because of how the past went.

    If you were born after Hitler’s reign, then your very existence revolves around Hitler doing what he did. You don’t have to condone Hitler’s behavior, just accept that if Hitler had never come to power, you wouldn’t exist, it would be some other person, not you.

    The world will not be made a better place by rewarding people today from the mistakes of the past. The reward the people of today have is their actual existence, and gratitude for that existence in a time and place when anyone can become successful with hard work and focus.

    http://www.DailyPUMA.com

  3. There seem to be a lot of misconceptions about reparations for slavery and discrimination.

    Whatever we think of indentured servitude, the Irish and Scottish in this country were not chattel slaves. They and their descendants were also able to lead normal lives in this country for many, many generations before black Americans were.

    Conyers also isn’t calling specifically for individual payments to black families, so there isn’t an issue about those of mixed race, or who may not be descended from slaves. The primary focus of the reparations movement is on programs to aid those who have never had a chance to overcome our history of slavery and discrimination.

    Finally, the issue of race vs. gender is not an easy one. For instance, you say that blacks received the vote sixty years before women did. Yet women were voting freely starting in 1920, while most blacks were barred from voting until the 1960s.

    More importantly, while until recently, women were denied many of the same things that black men were denied, it has been easier for women to make progress since then. The reasons are largely about families: white women, granted new opportunities, are able to benefit from the educational and financial backgrounds, for instance, of their families, in the ways that men always have. Blacks, on the other hand, will face disadvantages because they come from families which have been disadvantaged for generations, even if opportunities for advancement are now much greater.

    John Conyers is not oblivious to the important issues you raise about women today, especially those who are enslaved, selectively aborted or killed, and who face discrimination of all kinds. But this doesn’t mean that the legitimate issues of the legacy of slavery and racial discrimination can simply be cast aside, either.

  4. James- Your last line read”

    “But this doesn’t mean that the legitimate issues of the legacy of slavery and racial discrimination can simply be cast aside, either.”

    Where in God’s name did you get the idea that I or any other women are simply casting aside what happened to black slaves?

    I did not write the piece to which you are responding nor the other pieces which your types always seem to rally to oppose so vehemently. I cross posted it because I am sick and tired of blacks with a chip on their shoulder or white guilt types still fighting what has already been fought and won while totally ignoring what has yet to be overcome – Equal rights for Women!!!

    Get over it now! Move the hell on. Just as white women helped the blacks get their due without whimpering over their own injustices – it is incumbent on blacks now to help womankind get their equality. Where are the civil rights leaders in this fight? Are they fighting for their black women to have equal rights with their black men at least? NO!

    You – are you ready to come to battle for the ERA with the voracity you just took with this issue? Can you do that?

    If not go lick your wounds quietly and get the hell out of our way while we fight our own battles – we simply want the black woman to come along and release herself from her enslavement yet again — this time as a woman just not as a black slave!

    So either lead, follow or get the hell out of the way. How damned selfish can you be? Why is it always black, black, black? Isn’t it time for your mothers – your sisters and you daughters now and not just the blacks ones either!

    When you talk to me about discrimination – I have to laugh – you see it certainly is racial discrimination, racial against white women and sexual discrimination against all women.

    So just stop with the racial discrimination crap please- it’s real – it happened and it was horrendous – so was the holocaust – so was every other act of terrorism and war, ethnocide and genocide of millions all over the world since the beginning of time but one thing among them is constant women are always at least 50 % of the population of all of them. And right now WOMEN alone in this country are singled out as the most discriminated against and are the only American Citizens without Constitutional rights to Equality.

    This is what we are debating here and now- so for the last time; lead, follow or get the hell out of our way!

  5. James, I did write the following… “I also agree that the African Americans did have the worst of it because they did not get to become free after a certain amount of work was done.”

    Black Slavery was harmful because it was generational and black slaves were making wealth for others the whole time they were enslaved. However, giving something now, in the year 2009, will just create new resentment amongst so many people for so many reasons.

    If one could actually isolate the families that benefited the most from slavery, and if those families still exist and have wealth, then, have at it and disperse significant portions of their wealth as a form of reparation.

    It’s when the finger is pointed at all of white america, including those who never would have supported slavery, that makes the issue controversial, even today.

    I would find it interesting to create some kind of free college program for those who come from a long line of slaves in the US. Unfortunately, half of the worldwide wealth that existed has vanished in the past year.

    • I agree with what you are saying, about not the whole of white america being blamed. However, i dont think that the issue is blame at all, I believe the issue is making a change that will ultimately change the consequences of slavery. For example, although blacks have been freed from slavery, inequality still existed. The opportunities that were easily accessable to the rest of america were not extended to blacks and often blacks were banned from them. Yes it is true that those opportunities exist now. But the problem lies in the fact that the blacks were kept ignorant, and from generation to generation they still do not know how to access certain American liberties. For the most part most black people dont even know their basic rights to this day. Hense we have prison populations which over half of them are black inmates. oh yeah and this is not in the same context of your statement but == bi racial people should get the same as full reperations because they are treated as though they are fully black. Unless of course their skin and features look white. Reperations are not monetary they are in the form of opportunities, programs and education that the black american community are in desperate need of.

      • Tina, it is hard to disagree with you as you have presented it- I totally agree! the problem is there are so so many others who also deserve the same and who do we have the right to neglect in order to make a past wrong right/ There is almost no damned answer- I hate that this happened – ans i certainly am not saying OH well- as a woman I know damned well that will never be good enough and nothing makes up for all that is wronged – but I also know that we must start from where we are and we cannnot take from anyone unfairly to give to another to make up for anything or we will be then making up for that in 50 years – where does it stop.
        When do we make up to the native Americans who this land belonged to who now live on reservations – you want to talk about rights?
        Mankind is unjust – we can not go backwards we can only try to do better in the future! And that can only be accomplished by stopping the hate and the blaming of those of us who are not guilty for the sins of our fathers.

  6. Where in God’s name did you get the idea that I or any other women are simply casting aside what happened to black slaves?

    I didn’t say that you were. I said that it’s important not to cast aside the issues of the legacy of slavery and racial discrimination. In other words, their effects today.

    It’s certainly possible to reject the idea of reparations. I do. But I’m always disturbed when it sounds as though people are dismissing the very idea of seeking justice for those who have been denied it for so long. That includes women, and it includes blacks.

    I am sick and tired of blacks with a chip on their shoulder or white guilt types still fighting what has already been fought and won

    You see, this is what I mean. You’re claiming that the issues as stake are ones which have already been “fought and won.”

    In fact, while blacks are no longer enslaved, black families have never been put whole. They still labor under the disadvantages they were left with after slavery and the century of brutal discrimination which followed.

    You – are you ready to come to battle for the ERA with the voracity you just took with this issue? Can you do that?

    As a matter of fact — despite your bizarre accusation about people of my “type” — I fight far harder, and with much more passion, on behalf of equality for women than I do for racial equality.

    So just stop with the racial discrimination crap please

    Do you not believe that racial discrimination is also important? It still exists, just as gender discrimination still exists.

    What about those black women who say that racism is more important to them than sexism? Or who say that they’re equally important to them? Or that sexism is more important, but that they also struggle with racism every day, too?

    This is what we are debating here and now- so for the last time; lead, follow or get the hell out of our way!

    I’d point out that I’m a leader in the area of equal rights for women, but then, you seem to assume that I’m not. 🙂

  7. Mention the word reparations, and every sort of pseudo-syllogism will make its appearance.

    Those who commit a crime should pay for it. Slavery was a crime committed by the slave states as states, and they, with slave owners, should have the primary responsibility.

    The federal government owes some reparations as well, although its involvement in this crime cannot be compared with that of the slave states. Reparations should go to descendants of slaves.

    May I suggest that the Democratic Party, which ruled the south through the Ku Klux Klan, which implemented black codes and Jim Crow and blocked anti-lynching laws, also owes reparations for its reign of terror against a whole race of people made in God’s image.

    Until the Democratic Party– the party of John Conyers– makes restitution for its crimes, I’ll be underwhelmed by the effort to throw the whole onus on the U.S. taxpayer.

  8. I think those are very thoughtful comments, John.

    I would just mention that when you talk about the responsibility of “the slave states,” there was extensive slavery in both North and South. All of the original northern states had slavery, slavery wasn’t abolished in the North until the Civil War, and slavery was a mainstay of the northern economy.

    The Democratic Party certainly has a terrible history in the South, both before and after the Civil War, but I think the federal government did its share to support slavery and, later, racial discrimination. I don’t support reparations, but I do think that responsibility for slavery, and its benefits today, are quite widespread.

    Thanks,

    James

  9. giving something now, in the year 2009, will just create new resentment amongst so many people

    You may well be right, Alessandro, which is one reason why I’m not in favor of reparations for slavery.

    However, I think it’s important to note that what is just isn’t the same as what will avoid creating resentments. Black families today have certainly inherited harm passed down from slavery and discrimination, much as we all benefit from those historical injustices, and there’s an argument that our society ought to try to address that legacy.

    If one could actually isolate the families that benefited the most from slavery ….

    That would be the best way, wouldn’t it? 🙂

    In fact, while there seem to be no families left with fortunes directly earned from slavery and the slave trade, all American families enjoy benefits from that history. It’s in our economy, the largest in the world, and in our standard of living, which is many times higher than it would have been without slavery. Not everyone benefits from our economic success equally, of course, but virtually every American has a share, whether it’s modest or tremendous. Your logic applies equally in this case, as well: taking the money from those families which have it and dispersing it as a form of reparations.

    It’s when the finger is pointed at all of white america, including those who never would have supported slavery, that makes the issue controversial, even today.

    I agree that this is what makes the issue particularly controversial.

    I also agree that no one should ever cast blame on those who have done nothing wrong.

    However, you suggest that it would be right to take money from any families which still benefit from slavery. As I’ve noted, virtually all American families enjoy these benefits. The only exceptions are the very poorest families, those with a standard of living at or below Third World levels.

    I’m not arguing that we should take the wealth from American families collectively, and disperse it. But the logic is the same. If this would be wrong, for instance, because these people wouldn’t have supported slavery, well, then would that be true of the wealthy families you mentioned, too?

    half of the worldwide wealth that existed has vanished in the past year

    In terms of paper wealth, a lot did disappear in the last year, yes. But in terms of real wealth, the economies of the world have basically just stopped growing. They haven’t shrunk significantly, thank goodness!

  10. Hey Allessandro and James while you are at it – I wonder if you might try solving reparations for women’s work all these thousands of years for lets say at least 3-5 full time jobs in the home ( housekeeper- prostitute- nanny-designer- nurse- cook- hostess- companion- child bearers etc, etc .as well as putting men through legal , business and med schools etc and freeing them up to go out and become successful m/b/tr/illionaires over the ages?

  11. That sounds fine to me, FreeMeNow. 🙂

    Okay, I don’t support reparations at all, but there’s certainly no reason we can’t worry about the effects of both sexism and racism. If there were, I’d be talking only about sexism!

  12. I am beginning to like you James – now get cracking on those reparations for women – I would just love to see the look on their faces if we march into DC with that on our minds – HEHEHEHEHEH.
    I got all I can do with the three state solution and ERA as it is. Between that and louisa’s law believe me – I am not sure why i get myself worked up with this other crap – it just gets me mad – its time for us now! Oh well nuff said – I am beat tired and I want to go to bed – I got lawyers on top of lawyers tomorrow trying to get rights to see my ow 41 year old daughter! damned it!

    • women dont need reparations simply because there are no more concequences of women inequality. There has been plenty of education, and laws made for women, to the point that if a person is discriminated because she is a women, she knows what she can do about it. Its posted at the job and when she files a complaint something is done. However if a man goes to a job and they dont hire him because he is black, he cant complain about it. Number one he doesnt know how, number two no one does anything about it.. There isnt enough action taken to resolve the racism issue. There has been lots of action taken with womens rights. When the prisons become over crowded with women, out numbering them like blacks out number any other race. Blacks hold 50 percent Hispanics 40-30 while whites and others hold less than 1 percent. we have a problem still and it is bigger than womens lib right now. Right now a womens way of living is not being threatened on a day to day basis. Blacks lives are.

  13. Oh Tina – I will not debate the issue of black inequality of today with you as I am not an expert but I certainly will call you on your comment that there are no more consequences of women inequality for women.
    I have no idea where you got that information but that is so far off – it is laughable. I am not mening to be rude- I just can not imagine where you got that idea.
    I would have to point you to somewhere else because I can’t even talk after having read that statment! Trust me – wherever you hear that one – you were grossly mislead.

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