Bipartisanship? Or just Dems facing 2012 after the of 2010 landslide

Cross posted from Wake Up America

H/T Jacquerie for a great article

Democrats Join Republicans Insisting On Spending Cuts Tie In To Debt Limit Increase

Posted: 29 Apr 2011 09:56 AM PDT

With a national debt of over $14 trillion, government spending out of control and the very public battle between political parties showing Republicans insisting on spending cuts and Democrats fighting against them, the White House now needs Congress to increase our debt ceiling.

Republicans in Congress have insisted that any increase be tied to more spending cuts and a fiscal plan that shows Congress is serious about reducing the debt.

The Senate is still controlled by a Democratic majority and any deal made on raising the debt ceiling which includes spending cuts, will have to include Democratic support and it looks like that support is there.

Wapo reports:

The push-back has come in recent days from Sens. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), a freshman who is running for reelection next year. Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.) told constituents during the Easter recess that he would not vote to lift the debt limit without a “real and meaningful commitment to debt reduction.”

Even Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), generally a stalwart White House ally, is undecided on the issue and is “hopeful” that a debt-ceiling bill can be attached to a measure to cut the federal deficit, said her spokesman, Linden Zakula. Klobuchar is also up for reelection next year.

Senator Mark Udall (D-Colo.)releases a statement explaining why so many Democrats are joining with Republicans to insist deficit reduction be a part of the package.

“As catastrophic as it would be to fail to raise our debt ceiling, it’s even more irresponsible to not take this opportunity to own up to our unsustainable spending path,” Sen. Mark Udall (Colo.), another Democrat challenging the White House, said in a statement his office released this week. “If we don’t take action to reduce our deficit spending, Congress will be facing this same debt ceiling vote in the near term – still with no end to our deficits in sight.”

Polls conducted by a variety of sources, from January 2011 (Reuters) and as recently as April 2011, (CBS News) show that there is consistent opposition by Americans voters to raising the debt limit.

In 2012, 23 Democratic Senate seats are in play and 10 Republican Senate seats, so decisions made now will be watched and judged and will undoubtedly be a factor in how constituents vote in those elections.

Resurgent Republic:

President Obama’s policy of raising the federal debt limit without any preconditions relating to limiting spending, i.e. a “clean debt limit,” is supported by only one-out-of-ten voters, the least popular option of three presented in a Resurgent Republic survey conducted jointly with the American Action Forum.

The second-ranking option overall is “not raising the debt limit under any circumstances.” That option places second among Independents and Democrats, and is the top preference for Republicans.

The preferred option, drawing support from a plurality of voters overall, is “raising the debt limit, but only in exchange for substantial spending cuts and a commitment to reduce the deficit.” The days of “routine” debt limit increase votes may be history, with voters holding firm views about the debt ceiling vote in a time of concern over the economy and a pervasive view that “we have got to stop spending money we don’t have,” as has been seen in previous Resurgent Republic polling.

The Democrats listed above understand the Republicans in Congress enjoy an overwhelming amount of public support to lower the deficit, cut spending and get our fiscal house in order.

They understand this because their chances at being reelected depend on it.

Semi-related :

McConnell turns the tables on Reid in budget fight

“I understand that the Majority Leader would like to have a vote on the House-passed Ryan budget and we will,” Mr. McConnell said in a statement. “But we’ll have a vote on the President’s budget at the same time. Since there is no Democrat budget in the Senate, we’ll give our colleagues an opportunity to stand with the President in failing to address the problems facing our nation while calling for trillions in new spending, massive new debt and higher taxes on American energy, families and small businesses across the country.”

Ouch.



Silliness is as silliness does: Look at his behavior on Oprah

BettyJean Downing Kling

Is appearing on Oprah and at $30,000.00 a plate fund raisers while tornados rip the country apart and hundreds die the more important things Obama was referring to?

Open thread.

So with all the serious problems going on here and overseas; major Cabinet replacements (General Petraeus and Secretary Gates etc.) Wednesday, tornado activity for the 10 days killing hundreds citizens, the gunning down of 9 in Afghanistan, the economy, the oil prices, jobs, the 14 Trillion dollar debt, and the budget debate, Obama comes out to contest a dispute with a one he calls a carnival barker on his way to Oprah’s last show where he is taped further jesting about the very “silliness” he is supposedly to busy to be bothered with on his way to three $30,000.00 a plate fund raisers for his 2012 election campaign?

Gimme a break- even his most fervent followers have to see this as bullshit, if he really has serious things to do – he should be doing them instead of answering this question now or raising funds for a campaign now. Even his most ardent  voters must care about the aformentioned issues and the country? Even the most devoted Democrats have to care about the future of our country enough to put party politics aside as have the Republicans and said ENOUGH already. This is not about an election this is about running a country and I don’t mean running it into the ground by either party.

The damned BC should have been shown a long time ago instead of creating a carnival atmosphere to grow and if he were taking care of the problems mentioned above – he wouldn’t need a billion dollars to get reelected! A standing president is usually always re-elected—good grief we elected Bush again didn’t we?

Isn’t it time yet that we realize that we have had two bad Presidents in a row and they came from both parties? Forget the parties, save the county! These are TWO wings from the same VULTURE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MNXN1e_uZc
OPEN THREAD

Millions and 3 years later – finally the long form Birth Certificate

Barbara

Move along now… Here it is — Obama releases his Long form Birth Certificate because he does not have time for “silliness”

He needs time to golf, vacation, campaign and chat with Oprah.

The last 3 years of the countless lawsuits, the millions of dollars in legal fees, the denials of Hawaii officials that they NEVER EVER issue a long form BC have finally ended with here it is—wait for it –“silliness”.

And all it took to end the silliness was Obama writing a letter to ask for a copy of his long form birth certificate. Did I say MILLIONS in legal fees? Now – how is that for silly!!

Anyway, the Donald is happy about the release of the BC. but now he wants to see Obama’s school records, especially the admissions records from Occidental…if that is not silly I don’t know what is… we all now know that Obama was born in Hawaii, he was born a US citizen so what’s to be learned from school records??

Could it be some silly people believe that US Citizen Obama applied for and received aid as a foreign citizen? Nahhhhh – how silly!

Geez, He does not have time for this silliness. Oprah is waiting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110427/ts_yblog_theticket/white-house-releases-obama-birth-certificate

Barbara

Gang raped at 11, handicapped child was lured by a female accomplice

BJ Downing Kling
Contributed by Liz Baca

An 11-year-old girl gang raped last month in a Moreno Valley park was developmentally disabled, with the mental capacity of a five-year-old, newly released court documents reveal.

A Moreno Valley police search warrant obtained Friday also showed that at least part of the attack by a man and six boys was videotaped on a cell phone and that the victim had been lured to the park from a nearby middle school.

The girl was able to identify one of her attackers by his tattoos, and she was able to identify the older girl who lured her to the park from Vista Verde Middle School, according to the warrant. Police initially said she was lured from a shopping center.

According to police, the older girl met the victim in front of the middle school and led her to a shopping center and then to the park. Butler told detectives that Hull grabbed the girl by the arm as he led her with the other boys into the men’s restroom.

The boy who recorded the rape was later arrested. He was laughing and joking while questioned by officers, according to the warrant.

He denied he was a gang member. Other suspects said he was bragging about videotaping the gang rape on his phone.

The girl reported the attack to police at a shopping center about 9 p.m. She was given a rape examination and was found with several injuries. She first identified Sykes through a photo lineup when she recognized tattoos on his arms and shoulders.

Five other warrants were served April 7 at various homes in Moreno Valley in connection with the attack.

Police have said the Southside Mafia gang was started in Moreno Valley and that it has a history of burglaries, marijuana sales and physical assaults.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_rape23.2ad7c4031.html

 

US Liquidation Sale Needed

By: It’s Me Louise

As a business woman for the last 6o years, it all seems very simple to me. When your business is sinking in debt- you sell off what you can – pay off your debts and cut up your credit cards. So what is the problem with the managers of our country?

America is just one big business after all and it was being badly mismanaged and run into the ground and now instead of using some sound policies to save it – we are allowing the managers to dig us deeper and deeper in debt.

As the owners of this enterprise- I say we order the managers to liquidate immediately and to fire all unnecessary employees from the bloated nepotism held positions. Sell all our infrastructure, toll roads , bridges, airports, AmTrack and museums.

We are currently 14 trillion dollars in debt, we the people need to reign in Washington DC and our big spenders before they run our beautiful country clear into bankruptcy.

First, let’s put the “We the Peoples” Social Security and Medicare on the back burner for a while and lets first talk about cutting out all the waste fraud and abuse and all non essential employees and cut the paychecks of the overpaid so-called elected representatives and their bloated benefits.

Next, we need to stop funding countries that hate us.

In addition, we need to renegotiate our trade deals and force China to stop using funny money.

Finally, we need to liquidate some of our assets immediately. That would include Real Estate such as the Hawaiian Islands. Surely Hawaii should be worth several trillion dollars?

And what about all our government land? For example, our government does not need to own our National Parks, let’s privatize them. That should bring in several trillion dollars and the parks would cease being an albatross around our necks and provide private sector jobs instead of government jobs.

Just think about the trillions of debt we are in right now and think of the mounting debt we are accruing minute by minute on the interest alone on the past debt if we don’t liquidate.

One last note:
No one seemed to have a problem selling our ports to foreign nations regardless of the terror threats,  so selling off our infrastructure shouldn’t be a problem but if it is them I suggest we sell wisely.

Obama Pledge: $35,000.00 a plate fundraiser for Camp Lejeune?

BJ Downing Kling

Last night the Commander and chief went to a fundraiser costing 35,000 a plate. He and his funders are always wanting to spread the wealth around.

So I am waiting to see how he plans on spreading it around the ravaged SOUTH! That money could do a lot for the folks in the south who are without a place to sleep tonight or have to bury their children. It could help the buy formula and diapers for the Marines babies at Camp Lejeune. So show us you compassionate Democrats who want to spread the wealth around how you plan to spread last night take around? Where are all those Hollywood bleeding hearts with all that money and compassion this weekend? And who the hell is stopping the rich democrats and progressives from giving Uncle SAM more of their own money?

As you no doubt are aware, a terrible tornado ripped through Jacksonville, NC this past weekend wreaking havoc on the town and on Camp Lejeune.  We have been informed that the Tarawa Terrace II housing area at Camp Lejeune has been heavily damaged and over 40 Marine families have been displaced or otherwise lost many personal items including food.  100-200 families have been affected by losing power which may be off for some time.

The violent weather began Thursday in Oklahoma, where two people died, before cutting across the Deep South on Friday and hitting North Carolina and Virginia on Saturday. Authorities said seven people died in Arkansas; seven in Alabama; six in Virginia; and one in Mississippi. North Carolina’s state emergency management agency said it had reports of 23 fatalities from Saturday’s storms, but local officials confirmed only 21 deaths to The Associated Press.

An apparent tornado passed near a Virginia nuclear power plant, knocking down power lines. Dominion Virginia Power said backup sources including diesel generators kept electricity going to maintain both units at its Surry Power Station. The tornado didn’t hit the two nuclear units, which are designed to withstand weather, earthquakes and hurricanes, the company said.

More than 240 tornadoes were reported from the storm system, including 62 in North Carolina

RALEIGH,

American citizens denied a permit to peacefully protest in AMERICA: are we now bowing to foreign kings and false gods right here on American soil?

BJ Downing Kling

Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. — President Thomas Jefferson

I do not like the burning of the flag, nor the burning of the Bible, Koran or any other religious articles, idols and prophets. I also despise pornography by consenting adults but there is one thing I hate even more and that is loss of my US Constitutional First Amendment rights because of terroristic threats we face from Islamic radical fundamentalists.

Radical Islam kills and beheads innocent people indiscriminately and non radicals Islamic people fail to condemn them but instead rail against those of us who see the burning of the Koran or the characterization of Mohammad as nothing worse than the of burning the bible or effigies and mischaracterizations of our Lord – a shameful disrespect and contempt to be ignored. One lone man occasionally blows up an abortion clinic and one man killed and abortion doctor and no Christian held these people up as martyrs they were held accountable under the law.

Islam has no respect for human life, if it had, it would call out murder over and above the burning of paper regardless of the words imprinted on that paper. If they cannot- their Koran and Mosques and their radicals do not belong in America where we value life over images and holy books and buildings. Here, where we are loathe to be prevented from free speech for fear an innocent will be murdered in retribution for the words or actions of another we have no control over under our Constitution.

When we, the people of the United States have to fear a radical people who condemn and shame all of us for the actions of one and yet we are admonished for condemning any of them for the actions of scores of their radicals who they continually fail to condemn—we have to question the common sense of that behavior on our part. It is not common sense and it gives license to those using this tactic to continue to make fools of us. This is a two way street! Apparently these folks have more rights to demonstrate in their streets like wild animals than we do to peacefully demonstate in ours!

KABUL — At least 12 people were killed in Afghanistan Friday, most of them foreigners, when a United Nations compound was stormed by Afghans enraged by a Florida pastor’s burning of a Koran, according to Afghan officials.

Eight foreigners were killed after demonstrators protesting a reported burning of the Muslim holy book stormed a United Nations office in northern Afghanistan, opening fire on guards and setting fires inside the compound, officials said.

Thousands of protesters mobilized after a midday sermon, then surged toward the offices of the United Nations in Mazar-e Sharif, northern Afghanistan’s largest city and normally a bastion of calm.

Some in the crowd broke into the U.N. office and attacked the staff, killing security guards and members of the U.N. mission, officials said.

For example One pastor burns a Koran and all of Islam demands an apology from our entire country and Obama gives it while radicals retaliate by killing 11 innocents, beheading 2, and we do not demand nor do we receive willingly, any apology from Islam? Instead this pastor is now denied a permit to hold a protest outside a mosque?

An American Citizen denied a permit to peacefully protest in AMERICA? Denied for public safety? We are held hostage to a people who cannot be trusted in America to act like AMERICANS? Indeed- are we now bowing to foreign kings and false gods right here on American soil? Jones and others have NO PLANS to burn a Koran – they are planning to peacefully demonstrate as is their right to do. I wish I could join them. We must not give up our rights to a foreign radical people under any circumstance.

Dearborn — Dearborn denied a permit Wednesday for Quran-burning Pastor Terry Jones’ planned protest outside the Islamic Center of America on Good Friday.

Jones could be arrested if he goes ahead with the protest outside the mosque without a permit, said city spokeswoman Mary Laundroche. She added that the permit had been denied for “public safety reasons.”

Jones said he had not received notification that the permit had been turned down but that he was undeterred.

Jones is due in 19th District Court in Dearborn on Thursday to answer prosecutors’ claims that his demonstration could cause a riot and demands he post a “peace bond” to cover police costs.

Dearborn officials said Jones can still demonstrate at one of two “free speech zones,” including City Hall. Before denying the permit, city officials expressed concern about public safety, traffic and disruptions to nearby churches.

Jones isn’t likely to relent. He’s said for weeks that he plans to demonstrate outside the Ford Road mosque with or without a permit. Earlier today, Jones said the mosque is the ideal site for his protest against “radical Islam” and Sharia, or Islamic, law.

“There is no place better than there to present this message,” said Jones, the pastor of the Dove World Outreach center in Gainesville, Fla.

Jones said he is planning to bring a pistol to protect himself in case of violence, but has no plans to burn an Islamic holy book.

“We are coming there totally in peace,” said Jones, who said he will be joined by several other people including a rabbi.

Earlier today, Dearborn Mayor John B. O’Reilly Jr. released a copy of an “open letter” he wrote to Jones in a last-ditch effort to persuade him to cancel his protest.

In the three-page letter released to the media, O’Reilly urged Jones to conduct his demonstration at one of the city’s “free speech zones.” O’Reilly also questioned the logic of protesting Sharia in Dearborn.

“Our commitment to the Constitution is unwavering, not merely convenient, which makes your hyperbole about Sharia Law being practiced in the courts or civil law of Dearborn nonsensical,” O’Reilly wrote. “So, you are coming to protest against an imaginary threat that doesn’t exist in our community. Not in our courts, not at our City Hall, not on our streets and not in any of our places of worship.”

The mayor also pointed out to Jones that several churches in the vicinity of the mosque will be conducting Good Friday services and Jones’ protest outside the mosque will be disruptive to their traffic as well.

“The members of the Christian churches on Altar Road asked me last week if they should cancel their Good Friday services because of your planned visit. I assured them that they should not because the Constitution does not allow you to violate their rights. I don’t know why you selected Good Friday but it wasn’t very considerate of the significant Christian services being held at that time. I assure you that you will not make them forfeit their services,” O’Reilly wrote.

bwilliams@detnews.com
(313) 222-2027

From The Detroit News: ttp://detnews.com/article/20110420/METRO01/104200413/Dearborn-denies-permit–says-Quran-burning-minister-could-face-arrest#ixzz1K7UQwxks 

The idea of a right to freedom of expression, started with John Milton (1608–74), then John Locke (1632–1704) and culminating in John Stuart Mill (1806–1873). Locke established the individual as the unit of value and the bearer of rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. It was the role of Government to protect these rights and this belief was first enshrined in the US Constitution, with the First Amendment adding the guarantee that “Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press”. John Stuart Mill argued that human freedom is good and without it there can be no progress in science, law or politics, which according to Mill required free discussion of opinion. Mill’s On Liberty, published in 1859 became a classic defense of the right to freedom of expression. Mill argued that truth drives out falsity, therefore the free expression of ideas, true or false, should not be feared. Truth is not stable or fixed, but evolves with time. Mill argued that much of what we once considered true has turned out false. Therefore views should not be prohibited for their apparent falsity. Mill also argued that free discussion is necessary to prevent the “deep slumber of a decided opinion”. Discussion would drive the onwards march of truth and by considering false views the basis of true views could be re-affirmed.

In Evelyn Beatrice Hall’s biography of Voltaire, she coined the following phrase to illustrate Voltaire’s beliefs: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Hall’s quote is frequently cited to describe the principle of freedom of speech. In the 20th Century Noam Chomsky states that: “If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech for views you don’t like.

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