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		<title>By: Angelia Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angelia Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Believe someone the FIRST time they tell you who they are.&#039;  - Mya Angelo

Our borders are closed--we must now get passports to go to our neighbors (Canada and Mexico).  Our economy is in the toliet and the news is now spinning that we should hate all of the rich.  

These are dangerous times and history reveals that only those with passports could leave Germany when things got rough and that the former Soviets were very good at convincing the public as to whom to &#039;hate&#039; and blame. 

Modern technology offers the opportunity to know where you are, whom you&#039;re talking with (on line, on the phone, on the street), and what we&#039;re watching (on line, on our phones, on our TV&#039;s [law that requires digital]).  We still have analog and also have the converter boxes.  There is a 5 second or greater delay with the converter boxes; hence, if anyone did try to get something out &#039;live,&#039; it would be &#039;delayed.&#039;

BJ is right.  As long as &#039;we the people&#039; will turn a blind eye to our leaders&#039;  and the news&#039; media&#039;s lies, to their treacherous spin-doctoring, and to their &#039;framing&#039; YOUR thoughts for you, all of the empty complaining in the world will be for naught.  Do you know that I actually had a college professor argue to me, &#039;but Obama lied less than McCain.&#039;   

Excerpts of my reply are below:
....My response: there is a very strong ethical presence within me and to me, it does not matter who you are--it matters what you do. Because you are a member of whatever party, organization, group, does NOT excuse unethical behavior. We do not have good leaders because too many of us have bought into protecting unethical individuals and then those same individuals lament on how politicians are so crooked and &#039;look at the mess we are in.&#039; Until everyone decides that we WILL hold our leaders feet to the ethical fires, we will continue to be in a &#039;mess.&#039; 

....My response: No,  I have not changed. I will call people to account and I will not ‘follow’ when I know that there are issues that should be addressed and questions answered and I will NOT overlook unethical behavior because someone is a member of this or that...others can obviously make a different choice. And, are free to do so.

....Prof&#039;s statements: In the short time we were in the party together, I came to see you as a
&gt; principled person with a high regard for the truth. That is why I am
&gt; so disappointed that you have recently shown such a disturbing disregard
&gt; for the truth.
My Response: Who’s truth,?  The Democrats’?  The spin-doctors’?  The yellow journalists’? Yours?

....You have since resorted to &quot;cherry picking&quot; articles from FactCheck.org
&gt; that are unfavorable to Obama, and ignoring articles that are
&gt; unfavorable to his opponents -- first Clinton and now McCain. Cherry
&gt; picking as you have done isn&#039;t lying, but it does play fast and loose
&gt; with the truth.
My response: Yes, I am going to use Factcheck information (which I presume to be ‘the truth’) to share with others so that they will hopefully make an informed decision, especially in light of the fanaticism that has been associated with the Obama campaign.  Call it what you will....and from my observation, there was A LOT of ‘cherry picking’ going on by EVERYONE.

....Prof&#039;s statement: If you were really concerned with the truth, you might have tried to
&gt; offer some perspective on why Obama&#039;s 2 or 3 fibs are more egregious
&gt; than McCain&#039;s 7 or 8. It appears that you&#039;re not interested in weighing
&gt; the evidence.
My Response:   because Obama is a Democrat and Democrats are ‘supposed’ to be ‘different’, i.e., not use the same unethical, despicable, antics that Republicans, use Obama lying AT ALL is unacceptable.  And, it is very disconcerting that anyone would attempt to point fingers and say ‘well, they lied more.’  What???????  No, if you want to be my leader, you had better not lie AT ALL!  And, when you do, you had better NEVER expect me to overlook or explain it away or justify it.  Shame on everyone that has adopted such a position---this is one reason as to why we do not have good leaders.....we excuse, justify, spin, etc.  It must stop.  It must stop.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Believe someone the FIRST time they tell you who they are.&#8217;  &#8211; Mya Angelo</p>
<p>Our borders are closed&#8211;we must now get passports to go to our neighbors (Canada and Mexico).  Our economy is in the toliet and the news is now spinning that we should hate all of the rich.  </p>
<p>These are dangerous times and history reveals that only those with passports could leave Germany when things got rough and that the former Soviets were very good at convincing the public as to whom to &#8216;hate&#8217; and blame. </p>
<p>Modern technology offers the opportunity to know where you are, whom you&#8217;re talking with (on line, on the phone, on the street), and what we&#8217;re watching (on line, on our phones, on our TV&#8217;s [law that requires digital]).  We still have analog and also have the converter boxes.  There is a 5 second or greater delay with the converter boxes; hence, if anyone did try to get something out &#8216;live,&#8217; it would be &#8216;delayed.&#8217;</p>
<p>BJ is right.  As long as &#8216;we the people&#8217; will turn a blind eye to our leaders&#8217;  and the news&#8217; media&#8217;s lies, to their treacherous spin-doctoring, and to their &#8216;framing&#8217; YOUR thoughts for you, all of the empty complaining in the world will be for naught.  Do you know that I actually had a college professor argue to me, &#8216;but Obama lied less than McCain.&#8217;   </p>
<p>Excerpts of my reply are below:<br />
&#8230;.My response: there is a very strong ethical presence within me and to me, it does not matter who you are&#8211;it matters what you do. Because you are a member of whatever party, organization, group, does NOT excuse unethical behavior. We do not have good leaders because too many of us have bought into protecting unethical individuals and then those same individuals lament on how politicians are so crooked and &#8216;look at the mess we are in.&#8217; Until everyone decides that we WILL hold our leaders feet to the ethical fires, we will continue to be in a &#8216;mess.&#8217; </p>
<p>&#8230;.My response: No,  I have not changed. I will call people to account and I will not ‘follow’ when I know that there are issues that should be addressed and questions answered and I will NOT overlook unethical behavior because someone is a member of this or that&#8230;others can obviously make a different choice. And, are free to do so.</p>
<p>&#8230;.Prof&#8217;s statements: In the short time we were in the party together, I came to see you as a<br />
&gt; principled person with a high regard for the truth. That is why I am<br />
&gt; so disappointed that you have recently shown such a disturbing disregard<br />
&gt; for the truth.<br />
My Response: Who’s truth,?  The Democrats’?  The spin-doctors’?  The yellow journalists’? Yours?</p>
<p>&#8230;.You have since resorted to &#8220;cherry picking&#8221; articles from FactCheck.org<br />
&gt; that are unfavorable to Obama, and ignoring articles that are<br />
&gt; unfavorable to his opponents &#8212; first Clinton and now McCain. Cherry<br />
&gt; picking as you have done isn&#8217;t lying, but it does play fast and loose<br />
&gt; with the truth.<br />
My response: Yes, I am going to use Factcheck information (which I presume to be ‘the truth’) to share with others so that they will hopefully make an informed decision, especially in light of the fanaticism that has been associated with the Obama campaign.  Call it what you will&#8230;.and from my observation, there was A LOT of ‘cherry picking’ going on by EVERYONE.</p>
<p>&#8230;.Prof&#8217;s statement: If you were really concerned with the truth, you might have tried to<br />
&gt; offer some perspective on why Obama&#8217;s 2 or 3 fibs are more egregious<br />
&gt; than McCain&#8217;s 7 or 8. It appears that you&#8217;re not interested in weighing<br />
&gt; the evidence.<br />
My Response:   because Obama is a Democrat and Democrats are ‘supposed’ to be ‘different’, i.e., not use the same unethical, despicable, antics that Republicans, use Obama lying AT ALL is unacceptable.  And, it is very disconcerting that anyone would attempt to point fingers and say ‘well, they lied more.’  What???????  No, if you want to be my leader, you had better not lie AT ALL!  And, when you do, you had better NEVER expect me to overlook or explain it away or justify it.  Shame on everyone that has adopted such a position&#8212;this is one reason as to why we do not have good leaders&#8230;..we excuse, justify, spin, etc.  It must stop.  It must stop.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: LSekhmet</title>
		<link>http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/citizen-lawsuits-are-garbage/#comment-1024</link>
		<dc:creator>LSekhmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll tell you what -- I agree with you all the way.  Obama should show the damned birth certificate now, and stop &quot;toying with us,&quot; as you say.

There is no excuse for this.

Obama is not above the law.

Show the damned birth certificate already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what &#8212; I agree with you all the way.  Obama should show the damned birth certificate now, and stop &#8220;toying with us,&#8221; as you say.</p>
<p>There is no excuse for this.</p>
<p>Obama is not above the law.</p>
<p>Show the damned birth certificate already.</p>
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		<title>By: freemenow</title>
		<link>http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/citizen-lawsuits-are-garbage/#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>freemenow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy- this is definately going to be a presidency like W had.Cover-ups and secrets. It has been since the very beginning- since he left Occidental in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy- this is definately going to be a presidency like W had.Cover-ups and secrets. It has been since the very beginning- since he left Occidental in fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this had been any other candidate, would the courts or MSM have dragged their feet in getting to the bottom of this?I think not!!! What is the hold over people? For Gods sake, my grandchildren need to show birth certificates to participate in cheerleading and sports. Personally, I believe there is a reason why he won&#039;t produce his birth certificate, I just don&#039;t know what it is.Let us hope that the courts try to get answers to the questions that are being asked.Too much has been covered up and let slide this election cycle. IMHO Hillary had this election stolen from her and that is the real injustice here.So Barack, show us the birth certificate and lets move on, or is this to be a presidency like W had.Cover-ups and secrets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this had been any other candidate, would the courts or MSM have dragged their feet in getting to the bottom of this?I think not!!! What is the hold over people? For Gods sake, my grandchildren need to show birth certificates to participate in cheerleading and sports. Personally, I believe there is a reason why he won&#8217;t produce his birth certificate, I just don&#8217;t know what it is.Let us hope that the courts try to get answers to the questions that are being asked.Too much has been covered up and let slide this election cycle. IMHO Hillary had this election stolen from her and that is the real injustice here.So Barack, show us the birth certificate and lets move on, or is this to be a presidency like W had.Cover-ups and secrets.</p>
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		<title>By: freemenow</title>
		<link>http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/citizen-lawsuits-are-garbage/#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>freemenow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perot warned us in 1992- We should have listened to him then! He tried to tell us that they were selling the USA to the highest bidders! We had a chance to buy it back and we threw it away then - will we do it again - stick with the two wings of the same vulture? 

Both Parties are corrupt and they are taking turns at us - passing us back and forth - gang raping us - - this is our country and we are acting like we are hostages! Wake up America before we have no power left at all. 

Three levels and the Supreme Court and all Corrupt! That was proven in 2000 and about to be proven again in 2008 for the other team - isn&#039;t this proof enough that the govt is corrupt?

We the people had better wake up and fast!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perot warned us in 1992- We should have listened to him then! He tried to tell us that they were selling the USA to the highest bidders! We had a chance to buy it back and we threw it away then &#8211; will we do it again &#8211; stick with the two wings of the same vulture? </p>
<p>Both Parties are corrupt and they are taking turns at us &#8211; passing us back and forth &#8211; gang raping us &#8211; - this is our country and we are acting like we are hostages! Wake up America before we have no power left at all. </p>
<p>Three levels and the Supreme Court and all Corrupt! That was proven in 2000 and about to be proven again in 2008 for the other team &#8211; isn&#8217;t this proof enough that the govt is corrupt?</p>
<p>We the people had better wake up and fast!</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the supreme dismisses the case on friday and 0 takes the oath of office without proving citizenship,our constitution is&#039;nt worth the paper it was written on! I believe we have been sold out as a country,when this so called &quot;free trade&quot; started.  How many jobs has been lost sinse&quot; free trade&quot; started? How many people are losing every thing they owned because of our jobs being out sourced to other countries? The only thing that will get our economy corrected is ending &quot;fair Trade&quot;!  WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the supreme dismisses the case on friday and 0 takes the oath of office without proving citizenship,our constitution is&#8217;nt worth the paper it was written on! I believe we have been sold out as a country,when this so called &#8220;free trade&#8221; started.  How many jobs has been lost sinse&#8221; free trade&#8221; started? How many people are losing every thing they owned because of our jobs being out sourced to other countries? The only thing that will get our economy corrected is ending &#8220;fair Trade&#8221;!  WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: annie sweetie oakley</title>
		<link>http://freemenow.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/citizen-lawsuits-are-garbage/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>annie sweetie oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey BJ, thanks so much for posting my vid!

Citizen Cane is not informed. The Donofrio case explains everything and is well grounded in Constitutional Law, so I&#039;m not going to go into it. If Donofrio&#039;s case had no merit, it would never have made it to the Supreme Court.

Donofrio&#039;s case does not rest on the birth certificate. So instead of writing asking for Obama to produce a birth certificate, we should be writing to our congresspeople and supreme court justices to make sure that Constitutional Law is upheld. There is also an issue of the electorates being 1) dead and 2) changed after the election, which is not allowed.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=82585

The DNC and each and every Secretary of State who did not check the eligibility of the candidates before putting them on the ballot have gotten us all into one hell of a mess! 

Go to youtube and check out the links in the video description. They are to the right of the film. There&#039;s also a petition you can sign.

And do please rate &amp; leave a comment, if you&#039;re logged in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey BJ, thanks so much for posting my vid!</p>
<p>Citizen Cane is not informed. The Donofrio case explains everything and is well grounded in Constitutional Law, so I&#8217;m not going to go into it. If Donofrio&#8217;s case had no merit, it would never have made it to the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>Donofrio&#8217;s case does not rest on the birth certificate. So instead of writing asking for Obama to produce a birth certificate, we should be writing to our congresspeople and supreme court justices to make sure that Constitutional Law is upheld. There is also an issue of the electorates being 1) dead and 2) changed after the election, which is not allowed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=82585" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=82585</a></p>
<p>The DNC and each and every Secretary of State who did not check the eligibility of the candidates before putting them on the ballot have gotten us all into one hell of a mess! </p>
<p>Go to youtube and check out the links in the video description. They are to the right of the film. There&#8217;s also a petition you can sign.</p>
<p>And do please rate &amp; leave a comment, if you&#8217;re logged in!</p>
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		<title>By: freemenow</title>
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		<dc:creator>freemenow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citizen Cane- Frankly - i don&#039;t give a damned- - He stole the election with the help of the whole damned Democrat party and as far as i am concerned - is is an illegally selected candidate to begin with but as i stated earlier- If I have to provide my birth certificate when I apply for my Driver license - i do not see why he does not have to provide his when asked for it.
 If he would just provide the damned thing - this game would be over instead he contines this cat and mouse game- that is the what I find curious.
 I don&#039;t believe there is a problem with the citizenship as I stated - there was a problem with the election - I noticed you did not talk you way out of that - but then you obots never do - you just talk around that part.
 So do me a favor and don&#039;t waste my time! I am not interested in your lame crap about covering up what doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen Cane- Frankly &#8211; i don&#8217;t give a damned- &#8211; He stole the election with the help of the whole damned Democrat party and as far as i am concerned &#8211; is is an illegally selected candidate to begin with but as i stated earlier- If I have to provide my birth certificate when I apply for my Driver license &#8211; i do not see why he does not have to provide his when asked for it.<br />
 If he would just provide the damned thing &#8211; this game would be over instead he contines this cat and mouse game- that is the what I find curious.<br />
 I don&#8217;t believe there is a problem with the citizenship as I stated &#8211; there was a problem with the election &#8211; I noticed you did not talk you way out of that &#8211; but then you obots never do &#8211; you just talk around that part.<br />
 So do me a favor and don&#8217;t waste my time! I am not interested in your lame crap about covering up what doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Cane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama doesn’t need to prove anything since &quot;the necessity of proof lies with he who complains.&quot; (onus probandi) and not vice versa. 

Chiyome Fukino, The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health made a public statement that she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” According to that policy she isn’t be allowed to verify a foreign BC. 

The Black’s Law Dictionary considers terms “natural-born citizen” and “citizens by birth” as synonymous. Obama is, in accordance to U.S. Code, Title 8, Section 1401, a natural-born citizen of the United States, for the simple reason that he was born on American soil (the opposite hasn&#039;t been proven so far) by jus soli (right of birthplace). The age and citizenship status of Obama’s parents at the time have no bearing on Obama’s own citizenship. 

Here is how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:

“The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli. Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.”

Check legal facts and face the reality: you are chasing a shadow or even a bait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama doesn’t need to prove anything since &#8220;the necessity of proof lies with he who complains.&#8221; (onus probandi) and not vice versa. </p>
<p>Chiyome Fukino, The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health made a public statement that she has “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” According to that policy she isn’t be allowed to verify a foreign BC. </p>
<p>The Black’s Law Dictionary considers terms “natural-born citizen” and “citizens by birth” as synonymous. Obama is, in accordance to U.S. Code, Title 8, Section 1401, a natural-born citizen of the United States, for the simple reason that he was born on American soil (the opposite hasn&#8217;t been proven so far) by jus soli (right of birthplace). The age and citizenship status of Obama’s parents at the time have no bearing on Obama’s own citizenship. </p>
<p>Here is how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:</p>
<p>“The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli. Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.”</p>
<p>Check legal facts and face the reality: you are chasing a shadow or even a bait.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is NOT rocket science:
Since the Constitution’s Article II requires our President to be a “natural born citizen” (not merely “citizen” as allowed for those living when the Constitution was enacted) meaning both parents were US “citizens” when the child was born (parents not necessarily “natural born” citizens), there’s NO WAY Obama can be President — regardless of being born in Kenya OR Hawaii. Obama’s dad was NOT an American citizen. He was a citizen of the UK (ruling Kenya at the time). Case closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is NOT rocket science:<br />
Since the Constitution’s Article II requires our President to be a “natural born citizen” (not merely “citizen” as allowed for those living when the Constitution was enacted) meaning both parents were US “citizens” when the child was born (parents not necessarily “natural born” citizens), there’s NO WAY Obama can be President — regardless of being born in Kenya OR Hawaii. Obama’s dad was NOT an American citizen. He was a citizen of the UK (ruling Kenya at the time). Case closed.</p>
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